Wednesday, May 16, 2007

Breaking Down the Alcohol Vote

Yes, it passed.

It's indeed a shameful stain on the values-based traditions of Grove City. We spend thousands of dollars and man hours telling kids to say "no" to drugs and alcohol, but when it comes time to act, we tell them that alcohol is the solution to problems. Some claimed that alcohol was the only way for downtown Grove City to survive - ironically, the 300-foot rule will keep alcohol from downtown.

Shame on us.

The truth of the matter is that the vote only passed by the margin of 802 to 727 (52.45% to 47.55%). Seventy-five votes. Sadly, only 1529 residents made the effort to vote on the issue.

This may be a win, but it is hardly a mandate.

More numbers...

Ward One
- 22.10% turnout
- Alcohol passed 147 to 142 (one person didn't vote)

Ward Two
- 35.17% turnout
- Alcohol rejected 132 to 171 (four people didn't vote)

Ward Three
- 29.78% turnout
- Alcohol passed 111 to 93 (all voted)

Ward Four
- 47.93% turnout
- Alcohol passed 249 to 142 (two people didn't vote)

Ward Five
- 32.45% turnout
- Alcohol rejected 163 to 179 (two people didn't vote)

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

300 feet rule is at the discretion of the LCB though, not automatic

Rich Talbert said...

Thanks for that info.

Of course, that makes it even more of a danger for the fiber of the town - and gives even more power to the LCB.

Want a bar next to a school? Sure! How about a church or playground? No problem!

And the town has no say...until after the fact. Then we have to waste borough resources to sue.

Anonymous said...

DOWNTOWN IS DEAD
DO YOU WANT TO GET CONSUMERS DOWTOWN AGAIN?
INSURANCE OFFICES AND NICK NACK STORES DO NOT GET IT DONE. JUST LOOK AT VOLANT SLOWLY DYING.
ALCHOL IS NOT EVIL..WAKE UP RICH.
IT IS EVERYWHERE ALREADY. ELKS..VFW..RUDYS..LANDMARK....MY BROTHERS PLACE. WHY NOT LET THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN GAIN FROM THE INCREASED TRAFFIC.
TRUST ME..TREES AND A NEW SIDEWALK WON'T GET IT DONE. THE BOROUGH BOARD IS FOOLING THEMSELVES AND WASTING TAXPAYER MONEY. I AM SURE THAT THE SOCIAL CLUBS DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE PASSAGE OF A LIQUOR LICENSE..WILL CUT INTO THEIR BUSINESS. ARE YOU A MEMEBER OF THEIR CLUBS? WOULD EXPLAIN A LOT ON THIS ISSUE.

Rich Talbert said...

Hmmm...where to start.

Of course, we could argue how "evil" alcohol is, but we'll leave that to the religious scholars. I have yet to see alcohol do anything good in society, though.

Yes, alcohol is nearly everywhere. So are drugs...would you like a store for that, too?

The private clubs serve alcohol - but it is a totally different structure than the common liquor license. I'm not a member of any of those clubs - and I'm opposed to them serving alcohol, too.

Extra foot traffic for business? Perhaps - but don't forget about the extra drunk drivers!

Downtown is hardly dead. Nearly every store front has a merchant who pay tax dollars. I see lots of vehicle and pedestrian traffic, too!

Please let me know how the borough council is wasting money...

Also, if you are going to try starting rumors, please have the courage to sign your name.

Anonymous said...

Rich Rich Rich...there you go again.

Drugs are in our community but they are illegal. Alcohol is not....point one of yours slammed. No store for drugs.

Hmmmm..private clubs. People go in and buy alcohol, pay for it, drink it and then go home. I can see where your simple mind could get confused but thats what happens in public bars. FYI anyone can walk into the VFW and drink now. Oh the horror...legions of drunks driving home from the VFW. Has not happened yet, don't think it will when we get a public bar in town.
Second point...smashed

Plenty of empty store fronts downtown. Mean plenty of businesses have not been able to make it.
Third point broken.

Is the borough not paying for any of the so called improvements downtown?
Point.. Set... and Match

Rich Talbert said...

Point one...duh. You missed the point. Fine. Pick something else...porn, stipper clubs, etc. All legal activities. Would you like that next to your home, church, or school?

Point two...hardly smashed. The structure of the private clubs is different, as I said before. The member supply alcohol and drink said alcohol. They don't have an alcohol serving license like was voted upon in May. Either way, I don't care for it. Each person leaving a club or restaurant or bar has alcohol in his/her system. Not safe.

Point three...I'm downtown just about every day. Perhaps it has been a while for you. There aren't that many empty store fronts.

Point four...yes, the borough is paying for some of the work downtown. Since you don't go to any borough meetings, let me help you out. The sidewalks downtown needed to be repaired/replaced. The street was already on PennDOT's list for paving this year. The lights were old and using unreliable, inefficient technology. Burying cables is safer, cleaner, and keeps them away from exposure damage.

The college and other private groups and individuals have kicked in hundreds of thousands of dollars to make plain lights and sidewalks better. If private money is available, why not improve on what was going to be done anyway.

Mike in GC said...

Dear "You Gotta Be" Rich,

re: "The truth of the matter is that the vote only passed by the margin of 802 to 727 (52.45% to 47.55%). Seventy-five votes. Sadly, only 1529 residents made the effort to vote on the issue.

This may be a win, but it is hardly a mandate."

Guess you forgotten W's 51.5% "mandate" in '04.

How's that workin' out for ya?

Mike Rodgers
Grove City, PA